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Boundless Tera
« on: May 08, 2018, 10:13:26 PM »
Today Eric posted an update on the Tera

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Hey everyone,

I would like to give an update regarding the Boundless Tera and the Boundless Technology brand. In regards to the Tera, we along with our collaborators have been running tests on both returned and personal units.

Randy( @PuffItUp ) has shared with me a video of a working Tera that has been ripped open to check for any off-gassing or irregularities. It was found that bits of herb were getting stuck to the heating element and producing vapor on an updated Tera unit that had been shipped out to him. The video can be seen here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndqjexpb2rym3i9/20180427_130910.mp4?dl=0

Randy also tested and tore open his sample unit, that he has been using for the past month, to show if any deterioration was found on the Teflon AF 2400. Teflon AF 2400 is the material used as a buffer between the ceramic heating element and stainless steel spiral that sits on the heating element. It was reported that no discoloration or deformation was found

https://db.tt/mZSJgJx48P - Here is his photo gallery of the broken down Tera that Randy has been using for the past month.


We have also received results from a stress test that @stickstones has taken the time in performing. The following is a rundown of the test performed:


“Here's what I did to the unit:

-fully charged set of Boundless batteries

-set unit to concentrate mode

-started heating

-once it timed out I immediately restarted the heater

-repeated until it stopped going to concentrate temps (it was overheating and wouldn't do concentrates again until the next night)

-continued to run cycles like this on herb mode until the battery died.

-put in a set of fresh batteries a day later and ran a few more concentrate modes to stress it, but only did this for a few sessions before stopping

-a few days later I opened it up and found a rough spot on the teflon that wasn't on any other unit I opened up

-closeups reveal cracking and splits.”

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy7niq7erq8v503/TeraTeflon40x.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0ulvtpkka7csl/TeraTeflon30X.jpg?dl=0

These images of the Teflon from @stickstones unit conveys that there is some degradation of the material after the stress test. I am doing my best to attain information whether the testing conditions played a factor in causing the apparent lesions. This is concerning enough to justify letting the community know the results; all Tera pre-order customers and all resellers will be notified of these results.

Boundless has the advantage to listen to the community and directly relay the thoughts or suggested changes of our units to our manufacturer. We are also users of our own products and share the same concerns with the community. Boundless has been in the process reworking the Tera to be able to function without any material on the internal heating element. We have been on hold with manufacturing new Tera units and will not restart production until the unit is functioning correctly without the material.

In regards to the brand, all of us at Boundless trust in our manufacturer and the safety of our units. We also believe in maintaining a healthy relationship and a consistently high interaction and discussion within the forums. Past internal issues initially led a chain reaction of rushed decisions and misdirection that is currently being worked out within the Boundless team.

The Boundless team is taking the necessary actions to prevent any rushed releases and to ensure that all future units will be performing as expected with health in mind. The first step towards restructuring our brand, with hopes to gain the confidence lost from some community members, was the decision to move forward without our former CEO. Although the entire Boundless team has been close friends and partners for many years, the rushed decisions made by our previous CEO has caused us to re-evaluate our product releases and restructure our team internally to be more aware of all manufacturing processes and steps.

Our team is dedicated to the community and will move forward in doing our best to regain the communities confidence in our units. Please reach out with any questions to Eric@bndlstech.com and I will do my best to help out.

I just wanted to say...
God damn. What a shitty situation.

I've pushed several Tera's hard and feel safe using them.
I will now be pushing them even harder and sacrificing them to the dremel gods to see if I, too, can scorch some teflon.

I don't subscribe to the boundless hate and I wish them well.

I will be continuing to use my Tera, and creating some Tera comparisons very soon.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 12:50:02 PM »
It is a shitty situation indeed.
The Tera is my first vape and I only use it to vape flower using the WPA at 395 deg, so if you are like me, just enjoy this beast and don't worry about it.
Though, if Boundless will offer replacement units for folks who are worried about the Teflon, I would probably replace mine.
Just my 2 cents.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 04:57:14 PM »
Yeah, I don't plan on doing any of that, and rarely use the concentrate mode. I'm impressed every time by the extraction of the Tera, having used a Boundless CF for years. We'll see what they do going forward, though. Like habudai, I'll probably take a new unit if they offer one.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 08:38:59 AM »
I've been using my Tera for a little over a week now and don't ever plan to use it to the extremes in the stress testing detailed above. I rarely vape my herb at temps higher than 400F so I'm not overly concerned about the Teflon degradation after burning it at 500F. I don't think it's a fair test.
You wouldn't get a brand new car, wedge a brick on the accelerator pedal, let the engine scream for a tankful of petrol and then complain about abnormal wear in the engine, would you?

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Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 10:33:45 AM »
I've been using my Tera for a little over a week now and don't ever plan to use it to the extremes in the stress testing detailed above. I rarely vape my herb at temps higher than 400F so I'm not overly concerned about the Teflon degradation after burning it at 500F. I don't think it's a fair test.
You wouldn't get a brand new car, wedge a brick on the accelerator pedal, let the engine scream for a tankful of petrol and then complain about abnormal wear in the engine, would you?

That's a great point.

For that matter... I don't consider one unit tested under extreme conditions to be a statistically significant sample.
The tested device could have had fucked up teflon before being tested. The device may not have been assembled properly. The device may have malfunctioned.
Sticks even pointed out the device overheated and wouldn't go back into concentrate mode. I've performed this test on 2 units and neither devices have ever had a software failure like that. I'm not saying the test is wrong and the fears are false - but I don't subscribe to the mass hysteria happening.

I have yet to bust open my 2 heat test units. I will do so before final review for sure.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2018, 05:29:36 PM »
I've been using my Tera for a little over a week now and don't ever plan to use it to the extremes in the stress testing detailed above. I rarely vape my herb at temps higher than 400F so I'm not overly concerned about the Teflon degradation after burning it at 500F. I don't think it's a fair test.
You wouldn't get a brand new car, wedge a brick on the accelerator pedal, let the engine scream for a tankful of petrol and then complain about abnormal wear in the engine, would you?

Totally agree with you on this point.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 11:42:20 AM »
...also been using the tera...also go nowhere near concentrate mode...have other options..tera is my favorite, convection vape..glad you’re set-up here Troy...god job.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2018, 03:36:34 AM »
Today Eric posted an update on the Tera

Quote
Hey everyone,

I would like to give an update regarding the Boundless Tera and the Boundless Technology brand. In regards to the Tera, we along with our collaborators have been running tests on both returned and personal units.

Randy( @PuffItUp ) has shared with me a video of a working Tera that has been ripped open to check for any off-gassing or irregularities. It was found that bits of herb were getting stuck to the heating element and producing vapor on an updated Tera unit that had been shipped out to him. The video can be seen here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndqjexpb2rym3i9/20180427_130910.mp4?dl=0

Randy also tested and tore open his sample unit, that he has been using for the past month, to show if any deterioration was found on the Teflon AF 2400. Teflon AF 2400 is the material used as a buffer between the ceramic heating element and stainless steel spiral that sits on the heating element. It was reported that no discoloration or deformation was found

https://db.tt/mZSJgJx48P - Here is his photo gallery of the broken down Tera that Randy has been using for the past month.


We have also received results from a stress test that @stickstones has taken the time in performing. The following is a rundown of the test performed:


“Here's what I did to the unit:

-fully charged set of Boundless batteries

-set unit to concentrate mode

-started heating

-once it timed out I immediately restarted the heater

-repeated until it stopped going to concentrate temps (it was overheating and wouldn't do concentrates again until the next night)

-continued to run cycles like this on herb mode until the battery died.

-put in a set of fresh batteries a day later and ran a few more concentrate modes to stress it, but only did this for a few sessions before stopping

-a few days later I opened it up and found a rough spot on the teflon that wasn't on any other unit I opened up

-closeups reveal cracking and splits.”

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy7niq7erq8v503/TeraTeflon40x.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0ulvtpkka7csl/TeraTeflon30X.jpg?dl=0

These images of the Teflon from @stickstones unit conveys that there is some degradation of the material after the stress test. I am doing my best to attain information whether the testing conditions played a factor in causing the apparent lesions. This is concerning enough to justify letting the community know the results; all Tera pre-order customers and all resellers will be notified of these results.
 I love my tera and use it lik da beast it is mightykiller#

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 09:27:27 AM »
I just bought one today. Not to worried about the Teflon issue. This thing has all the boxes checked for me. Hopefully I got a good unit that doesn’t have to be warranties right away.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2018, 04:07:01 PM »
Is it possible to get the tera video back up. Maybe a newer one?

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2018, 07:47:00 PM »
Anyone have any genius ideas for cooling the vapor from the Tera without using a water pipe? The Hydrotube from Humboldt Vape Tech kind of fits over the WPA, but the vapor was still pretty rough at higher temps. I have somewhat sensitive lungs but I'd like to avoid spending a bunch of money on a Crafty or Mighty so I can have comfortable, potent vapor and portability.

I had considered trying to get some plastic tubing to use like a whip, but I feel like that would look just as janky as it would be. I'm still STUNNED that Boundless didn't copy one of the best things about those Sorz and Bickel products and give this thing some way to condition the vapor in the mouthpiece.

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2018, 09:55:34 PM »
Can I replace the glass nub with like the glass mighty mouthpiece

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2018, 06:34:29 AM »
Can I replace the glass nub with like the glass mighty mouthpiece

No, but you can replace the plastic one with the Mighty glass:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjGASQBhWZO/

(sorry for the Instagram "self-promotion" but it's just easier to link an existing pic)


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Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 10:41:43 PM »
Can I replace the glass nub with like the glass mighty mouthpiece

No, but you can replace the plastic one with the Mighty glass:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjGASQBhWZO/

(sorry for the Instagram "self-promotion" but it's just easier to link an existing pic)

All good man! Appreciate you sharing!!

Re: Boundless Tera
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2018, 11:49:07 PM »
Can I replace the glass nub with like the glass mighty mouthpiece

No, but you can replace the plastic one with the Mighty glass:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjGASQBhWZO/

(sorry for the Instagram "self-promotion" but it's just easier to link an existing pic)

All good man! Appreciate you sharing!!

Will you be reviewing the V3?